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And the Naomi Kritzer books look good, I like the combination of music and magic. All I can add to this thread that is new are two SF authors, Nicola Griffith and Kelly Eskridge , both of whom have written novels with lesbian protagonists.

I especially recommend Slow river and Solitaire for gripping plots and interesting settings that are disturbingly plausible given today's politics.

This is a very interesting thread, and raises the question in my mind: Where is the lesbian equivalent to The last herald-mage or the Nightrunner series?

Gay fantasy is far, far more visible than lesbian, and I wonder why that is. Any ideas? A couple more things that occurred to me, the two female protagonists in the Silverglass sword and sorcery quartet by J.

Rivkin a pseudonym for two anonymous authors, I believe both women are both presented as bi though one remains single and the other eventually settles down with a longtime male lover.

Also, I believe that there is a lesbian subplot in Northlight by Deborah Wheeler , but I've misplaced my copy so I can't tell for sure.

Kelley Eskridge has a book of short stories, Dangerous Space , that I'm hoping to pick up sometime- there are a couple of stories available for free on her website that I enjoyed quite a bit.

I would note as an additional observation to your question that lesbian characters seem much more common in science fiction than fantasy, and also that not only is there a disappointing lack of lesbian and bi female characters in fantasy, there's also a lack of asexual women and even single straight women- almost all woman characters are explicitly straight and paired off with men in romance plots, not even leaving space for reader imagination to pair them up with women outside the text in a "what if?

I don't know if lesbian fantasy is not getting written, or if it's just not getting published by mainstream houses due to a perceived or actual lack of appeal- what I've found in small press might be a trend, but created-world fantasy novels are still few and far between even in small press listings, where they are vastly outnumbered by urban fantasy or bog-standard contemporary settings.

It's interesting that you mention The Last Herald-Mage as an example. I recently picked up Mercedes Lackey 's Oathblood from the library, a collection of sword and sorcery short stories following the duo Tarma and Kethry, and was greeted by the forward discussing the creation of the two leads for Marion Zimmer Bradley 's Sword and Sorceress series and women in sword and sorcery at the time the stories were written.

Perhaps this is due to MZB's own attitudes on the matter. I have her collection of Thieves' World short stories that follow the character Lythande , a sorceress who has to hide the fact that she is a woman from all men, thus in the author's opinion forcing her to "settle" for intimacy with women.

There are other problematic things about the book, like the way Lythande despises women in general and their "weakness", and MZB states outright in the afterword that she didn't write lesbian characters because she thought the only audience would be teenage boys who would take an "unhealthy interest" in such things.

Unfortunately I don't have my copy at hand for the exact phrasing, but I believe "eccentric" and other ugly terms were used. This completely erases the whole audience of young women who don't find themselves represented in such works, and doesn't pay any compliments to teenage boys, GBT or otherwise, who are also perfectly capable of enjoying stories about lesbian women from standpoints other than sexual titillation.

I don't know how to reconcile that with her earlier occasional portrayals of lesbian women in the Free Amazons Darkover books which I have not read much of, and which were published in the 70s, while Lythande with its afterword was published in , but her Sword and Sorceress series that launched many a fantasy writer's career began in the late 80s right after when that afterword was published, not to overestimate her influence, but I have to wonder what the fantasy field may have looked like as far as lesbian representation had her views on the audience for lesbian characters been otherwise.

Thank you! Yes, I've noticed that lesbian characters are more common in SF than fantasy. I need to read more of Melissa Scott's work.

Not sure if my copy of Lythande has that afterword, I'll have to dig it out and check. She really thought that only teenage boys would read books with lesbian themes and not, say, lesbians themselves?

Or women generally? I didn't love Lackey's Tarma and Kethry books as much as I thought I would, but that may be due to the fact that they are short stories rather than novels so some of the character development happens off-screen.

My favourite of the very few asexual characters in Fantasy would have to be Paksennarrion. And yes, I do wish that more authors would resist the temptation to pair everyone off during a novel - it would be really nice to have more positive single female characters who don't see a relationship as the fulfillment of their life!

Just read Heart Readers by Kristine Katheryne Rusch which has a protagonist in a lesbian relationship. Brought to mind this topic.

I felt as if it might be a bit of author commentary on the feminist movement as someone from the generation before it.

I also, out of curiosity, looked up publication dates- it seems as if the later Free Amazons books, Thendara House and City of Sorcery , were from the early 80s, the same as Lythande.

I wish I could find my copy of Lythande for more exact quotes from the afterword. Also, that review's comment about Jane Yolen 's Sister Light, Sister Dark treating lesbian relationships as "practice relationships" for real ones with men has made me a little afraid of going back and reading that series too.

What was that term I saw from I believe Jo Walton once, the "suck fairy" visiting older books you used to like? Speaking of that book, there have been an awful lot of separatist women societies The Gate to Women's Country , Holdfast Chronicles , Shore of Women , and more recently Carnival come to mind , but I can't think of any I've heard of that actually feature gay women- many of them seem to be of the opinion of lesbianism as a political act rather than a sexual or romantic orientation- the same feeling of women "settling" for other women rather than wanting them.

Not to stray too far off-topic, I'll admit to shallowness, that the aforementioned foreword of Oathblood put me off reading it, but I flipped through and the mercenary company plots didn't really grab me- in general military fantasy isn't my thing, which is where I ran into the same issue when trying out The Deed of Paksenarrion , but I'll probably give that one another try at some point to see how Paks develops.

One more YA example, I believe there is a lesbian character in Amelia Atwater-Rhodes ' The Shapeshifters , but I believe it's in about book four out of five of the series and I didn't get far enough in to find out.

Since we seem to have firmly included SF, I'd like to second or third, whatever Nicola Griffith -- and to point out that no one has mentioned the classic A Door into Ocean , depicting a non-violent all-female society juxtaposed against its distinctly violent, male-dominated neighbor.

It's so great to come back from vacation to this discussion! Thank you, everyone, for all the suggestions. It's much appreciated. I'm going to have to make a list and do some research.

So many books, so little time. Sandstone78 - I have also wondered about why there are not more lesbian fantasy books out there.

I assumed it was because publishers figure there is not much market for it. Which leads me to wonder how big the fantasy genre is among lesbians as a group in general.

As an aspiring writer I know, like half the planet , this will someday be an issue for me if I ever try to publish. As for the Vampire and Sci-Fi suggestions - I will definitely look them up and give them a try.

The agency in question refuted the account, but many other commenters chimed in with similar experience.

I do hope, however, that this discussion has convinced you there is a market for your work : I wish you luck with your writing endeavors!

Be sure to read them in order or you'll be all messed up with back story and spoilers; and be careful about reading too much about them on the internet because sources like Wikipedia are full of spoilers.

I'm just really surprised no one has mentioned this one yet, because there's a very interesting relationship between the principal character, Rachel Morgan a heterosexual witch , and her number one sidekick, Ivy Tamwood a bisexual vampire.

If I were to talk stereotypical male, lesbian fantasy means something totally different than to say a stereotypical female.

Twist it again when mentioned to a member of the LGBT community. I'm not saying that the concept or the writing doesn't have an audience. I'm saying that it might have another phrase or genre tag to prevent I did think of this series but I didn't bring it up because the series took a major swing a few books back that destroyed that particular story arc.

Frankly it left me feeling completely disenchanted and uninterested in the rest of the books. I second Trouble and Her Friends.

Melissa Scott usually has lgbt themes in her work. Elizabeth Bear usually has lgbt themes in her work, too. Another fantasy with a lesbian main character is Gossamer Axe.

It's 80's urban fantasy, kind of, which is to say it is very different from current urban fantasy. Main character escaped from sidhe and is looking for a way to free her lover, too.

I've heard of Nicola Griffith , too, especially Ammonite but I haven't read it. It was a response to your post. I absolutely loved this series , but it was a certain relationship that drew me in.

I just can't feel the same even though Kim Harrison is an amazing author. I enjoyed it. The sequel, For Want of a Fiend , is due to be released in May.

Perhaps there are in the other books in that series. I will second The Pyramid Waltz ; I've edited parts of it. Barbara Ann Wright is a member of my writing group, and she's currently working on a second sequel now.

The first three months' worth of stories have been collected in a print volume too I believe. Speaking of free short stories online, I definitely also recommend Laurie J.

Dellamonica 's The Cage link. Benjanun Sriduangkaew's myth retelling Woman of the Sun, Woman of the Moon link , no touchstone is on my list to read soon.

Also, Liz Bourke had a post on tor. I recently finished Amelia Atwater-Rhodes ' Kiesha'ra series starting with Hawksong , the whole series is also available collected in The Shapeshifters.

Each of the five books has a different narrator, and Oliza, the heroine of the fourth book Wolfcry and the daughter of the characters featured in the first two books, arguably the character whom the entire series revolves around, falls in love with a woman.

Reviews nb some pretty homophobic Amazon reviews- don't read if you don't want to spend the rest of the day wondering what is wrong with people complain that her love story is "sudden" and "out of left field," but the character was introduced in the third book, Falcondance , as having male suitors from both societies of the recently ended war and showing little interest in them, being only comfortable around the protagonist of Falcondance who was politically "off-limits" as a love interest.

I saw a lot of myself reflected in Oliza's awkwardness around boys, not knowing what to do because she likes them as people but doesn't return any kind of romantic interest and not really thinking that girls were an option for me- because of the way a person's orientation is so often talked about as something that is inborn and instinctual I figured I would know without any doubt like the handful of out students I knew of seemed to.

I wish this book had been published when I was in my high school period of going through Atwater-Rhodes' fiction, and I'm glad it's there for teens like I was today.

Those sound fascinating!

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